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I do try not to write in anger. Mostly.

But since I got blindsided by the most -smug- pro-harassment, pro-puppies song in a while today...wel, this came out.

A Pack of Lies
Joshua Kronengold
may be sung to the tune of Stan Rogers' "Lies"

At last, the con is quiet for a year,
The worldcon held in Finland, too much fun for pain and fear,
The filkers, sharing new and ancient verse,
The concourse filled with sales and games and lots of fan discourse,

Sure was a bitter couple of Worldcons for a while,
Some trolls tried to take over using cheats and hate and guile,
They thought they could pay money for our prize,
And tricking fans by posting wicked lies!

All lies
All those trolls are telling wicked lies,
Lies all lies
They have no shame for their disgrace,
If you disprove their story, they revise,
Their pack of wicked lies!

Are Hugo nominations ruled by TOR?
That was their story; somehow we don't hear it anymore.
Are they just fans just wanting to have fun?
They always seem so angry when the ceremony's done.

Each time the story changes, like Rashamon it sounds,
Like they think they can't lose if they keep giving runarounds,
But every time they give the game a try,
Why can't they post a better class of lies?

Those lies,
All those trolls are telling tired lies,
Lies all lies
They have no shame for their disgrace,
If you disprove their story, they revise,
Their pack of tired lies!

And now the pack have come around again,
This time they say they're being banned for what they think and when,
It's "censorship" that now ignites their fears,
Well we've been hosting everyone for over fifty years!

Your politics don't matter, if you are here for fun,
Your passion for SF should let you blend with everyone,
But if you come in hate, say your goodbyes,
You're banned for breaking rules, and not your lies,

Those lies,
All those trolls are telling themselves lies,
Lies, all lies
They cannot think they've lost their place,
So when they see their losses, they revise,
Their foolish little lies.

Date: 2018-01-04 07:35 am (UTC)
thnidu: my familiar. "Beanie Baby" -type dragon, red with white wings (Default)
From: [personal profile] thnidu
Bravo! (alas that it's true)

Date: 2018-01-04 10:56 am (UTC)
gingicat: woman in a green dress and cloak holding a rose, looking up at snow falling down on her (Default)
From: [personal profile] gingicat
Thank you.

Date: 2018-01-04 11:14 am (UTC)
madfilkentist: Photo of Carl (Default)
From: [personal profile] madfilkentist
Two Worldcons ago, a member was expelled from the convention for going off-topic at a panel. That's selective and arbitrary enforcement of rules, at best.

I also haven't forgotten or forgiven the Helsinki Worldcon's smears against a staff member as they kicked him out.
Edited Date: 2018-01-04 11:17 am (UTC)

Date: 2018-01-04 06:09 pm (UTC)
ckd: small blue foam shark (Default)
From: [personal profile] ckd
As described at it was well beyond "going off topic" and into "hijacking the panel with premeditation".

Date: 2018-01-04 07:07 pm (UTC)
madfilkentist: Photo of Carl (Default)
From: [personal profile] madfilkentist
"Hostile environment" is a very vague term. A lot of cons have created dangerously broad speech restrictions. I've followed filk cons more closely than Worldcons, so I hope it's OK if I cite a couple of examples from them.

FilKONtario at one time defined harassment to mean "any objectionable act, comment, or display that demeans, belittles, or causes personal humiliation or embarrassment." That could cover just about any negative statement about anything. The link I had is broken, and I can't find a policy in a quick glance, so that may no longer be applicable. If so, it could indicate improvement in the works.

The policy for Con2bil8 had this: "If anyone makes you feel uncomfortable, discriminates against you, or exhibits behaviour and/or language which you find offensive towards either yourself or anyone else, we, as a committee, would like you to understand that we will not find it acceptable, and will take immediate action, up to, and including, expulsion from Convention areas."

That defines objectionable behavior purely by personal reaction to it. Effectively, it gives everyone a veto on everything. The accused has no possible defense, since it's the listener's reaction that defines the offense.

Of course, such policies can't be strictly enforced without destroying the convention. They have to be applied selectively. With such broad wording, they create a hostile environment to the extent that people want to express views that differ from the fannish mainstream.

Distinguishing between "intent to upset people" and "intent to socialize and engage in fanac" is impossible to do in any fair way. Some views are upsetting to some people. Does expressing those views, knowing that others will complain, make them unacceptable as such? If so, some viewpoints are banned.

I'm very unhappy with the recent tendency in fandom to turn cons into "safe spaces" where people don't have to hear anything they don't like. It's contrary to the spirit of open discussion that was just recently characteristic of fandom.

Date: 2018-01-05 11:52 am (UTC)
madfilkentist: Photo of Carl (Default)
From: [personal profile] madfilkentist
Very true about the bans in '39. The political feuding was wild in those days.

Date: 2018-01-04 07:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kjn
The Helsinki affair was largely because the harassment and interpersonal issues handling had fallen under control of a smal and insular group that lacked the proper competencies; a group led by someone more interested in covering their own ass than in doing the right thing.

Date: 2018-01-04 04:43 pm (UTC)
zenlizard: One lizard to another:  "Please to be shutting up now!" (Default)
From: [personal profile] zenlizard
Never piss off the bard.

Date: 2018-01-04 05:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mdlbear
Nicely done.

Meddle not in the affairs of filkers, for they are not subtle and people remember funny songs.

Date: 2018-01-04 05:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bunsen_h
This time they claim they're being banned, etc. I doubt that they believe it.

There's the old philosophical / logical question of whether a falsehood told in the mistaken belief that it's true is actually a lie.


Date: 2018-01-04 09:23 pm (UTC)
callibr8: (Yaaaaay)
From: [personal profile] callibr8
Virtual like button pressed...

Also, a handful of lyric tweaks sent via PM. Feel free to apply, or adapt, if they suit. (cue familiar tune: it's _your_ filk song, after all...)

Re: huzzah!

Date: 2018-01-07 12:29 am (UTC)
callibr8: icon courtesy of Wyld_Dandelyon (Default)
From: [personal profile] callibr8
The phrase, "it's your filk song" scans to "It's A Small World", is what I meant.


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