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Wow. In this season (and even this week's ep) of Buffy, the characters actually -talk- to each other, make the same speculations the watcher makes, and otherwise act like intelligent beings rather than pawns in the grip of inexcricable bad writing!

I am, again, impressed at the way this season of Buffy continues to display the traits that made me actaully -want- to watch the show, rather than the pointless angst and meaningless arguments of seasons 5 and 6.


The cliffhanger I could have done without, but it was a very well done ep, and demonstratively "buffy what is buffy", rather than the "spam" of recent years.

Date: 2002-11-21 10:34 am (UTC)
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You missed the first two seasons, didn't you?

Joss is Back!

Date: 2002-11-21 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigscary.livejournal.com
This is the show with Joss up to his elbows in it. Marti can write, sure, but letting her run things is a recipe for endless pain. Last week was remarkable, and though I'm not sure Joss wrote it directly, I'm sure he was involved.

Also, the move away from an ensemble style (everyone does something) to a more traditional style while retaining an ensemble cast (the same thing that annoys me about the JLA animated series) strengthens the show. We saw NOTHING of Xander last week, NOTHING of Anya, little of Spike, and none of the other three interacted except by note. This week, we had all of them, but everyone was of united purpose, acting as a team, communicating. Intra team/family tension can be good for drama, but when that's all there is, or when it's both more pressing and given more time than the extra-team/family tension, it feels more like a soap opera about people who aren't really that interesting, after all, when they're not bound tightly together.

Re: Joss is Back!

Date: 2002-11-21 11:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] avram
Did anyone else notice how Dawn hasn't really given the others enough information about her experience to point up how different it was from Willow's?

Re: Joss is Back!

Date: 2002-11-21 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigscary.livejournal.com
I don't think that's terribly important: From what they supected of that which lies beneath already, there's no reason there should be a similarity. Right now, I'm wavering on what parts, if any, of Dawn's experience were Devourer related. Theories:

1: Whole damn thing was a set piece to make the final message of mistrust believable.
2: The monster restraining Joyce's spirit was a manifestation/agent of The Thing that Eats You, Toes-First. Joyce was Joyce.
3: The monster restraining "Joyce" was a Chet(of Angel)-like bad-looking-good-guy and "Joyce" was a Cassie-like agent of The Big Bad With the Basement Apartment.
4: Nibbler had nothing to do with anything Dawnie experienced. Joyce was Joyce, the thing restraining her was an afterlife-restraining-thing.

Unfortunately, though there's evidence for each of these, none of it is conclusive. We don't know much about Underground Unfriendly: Just that it can:
Appear in various forms.
Appear selectively.
Influence minds in some way beyond that (What it did to Spike), and perhaps only already-weakened minds.


Here's an interesting question: Did "Cassie" pull out the chair before she sat down? Do we have ANY evidence that The Subterranean Snacker can directly effect the physical world? (Note: As far as I remember, the only things confirmable as TWDFBY are: What appeared to Spike, what appeared to Andrew, what appeared to Willow.)

Re: Joss is Back!

Date: 2002-11-21 04:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] avram
Do we have ANY evidence that The Subterranean Snacker can directly effect the physical world?

I've been thinking a lot about that myself. My current pet theory: The Bottom Feeder can't directly affect the physical world, which is why he has to go around playing head games with people instead of just, y'know, coming up behind Willow and snapper her neck. At some point one or more of the Scoobies will realize/learn this, and Dawn will realize that her vision of Joyce couldn't have been the Feeder, and have to cope with the implications of Joyce's message about Buffy.

Further theory: The thing that Buffy will choose over Dawn is Spike. I don't see that happening now, but there's the rest of the season for groundwork-laying. Or maybe Dawn somehow becomes a minion of the Feeder (probably without meaning to).

Date: 2002-11-21 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] almeda.livejournal.com
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